What's the injection that Desmond gives himself?

[Charlie]

Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this, but I don't see it in
the hundreds of posts here. Give me a break.

What are the thoughts on what in the vial that Desmond injects into
himself? He gathered up a bunch of them when he was making his escape.

[Nick_S]

viral immunisation juice ?

[f***@spamcop.net]

Post by Nick_S
viral immunisation juice ?

Immunizations require only a small number of injections, often
only one. This had the appearance of being a daily routine.
Considerations include steroids, vitamins or a prophylactic
like quinine.

[Drax]

Post by Charlie
Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this, but I don't see it in
the hundreds of posts here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that Desmond injects into
himself? He gathered up a bunch of them when he was making his escape.

Desmond asked Locke how many people were sick that and the word
Quarantine on the inside of the Hatch seem to imply Desmond believed
there was some type of plague on the island. The vial could be some
type of vaccine or it could just be part of a mind game by Dharma
Industries to see how far they could push someone before they snap.

[Steven L.]

Post by Drax

Post by Charlie
Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this, but I don't see it in
the hundreds of posts here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that Desmond injects into
himself? He gathered up a bunch of them when he was making his escape.

Desmond asked Locke how many people were sick that and the word
Quarantine on the inside of the Hatch seem to imply Desmond believed
there was some type of plague on the island. The vial could be some
type of vaccine or it could just be part of a mind game by Dharma
Industries to see how far they could push someone before they snap.

Danielle's claim to Sayid that a contagious illness wiped out her entire
expedition would suggest that the plague Desmond fears is real enough
(or was, 16 years ago).

[Hilda]

Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

[Steven L.]

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.

A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.

There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

[Drax]

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:12:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.
A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.
There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

What about the pigs, could they have been brought to the island as
test subjects? I can't see pigs or large boars being indigenous to
the island. I remember reading someplace that biological weapons in
WW1 were tested on pigs? If the pigs have the virus could the people
who ate the boar get virus?

[Steven L.]

Post by Drax
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:12:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.
A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.
There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

What about the pigs, could they have been brought to the island as
test subjects? I can't see pigs or large boars being indigenous to
the island.

True, but they might have been brought to the island centuries ago by
explorers of any nationality.

Post by Drax
I remember reading someplace that biological weapons in
WW1 were tested on pigs? If the pigs have the virus could the people
who ate the boar get virus?

Perhaps, but that's not how Danielle said her expedition caught the
disease. She clearly said that they caught it from The Others.

[Drax]

On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:51:06 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Drax
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:12:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.
A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.
There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

What about the pigs, could they have been brought to the island as
test subjects? I can't see pigs or large boars being indigenous to
the island.

True, but they might have been brought to the island centuries ago by
explorers of any nationality.

Post by Drax
I remember reading someplace that biological weapons in
WW1 were tested on pigs? If the pigs have the virus could the people
who ate the boar get virus?

Perhaps, but that's not how Danielle said her expedition caught the
disease. She clearly said that they caught it from The Others.

Danielle never saw the Others. When did she say they meet with Others
or caught the disease from the Others?

[f***@spamcop.net]

Post by Drax
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:12:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.
A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.
There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

What about the pigs, could they have been brought to the island as
test subjects? I can't see pigs or large boars being indigenous to
the island.

The polar bears have to eat something...

Aren't razorbacks a North American species?

[Steven L.]

Post by f***@spamcop.net

Post by Drax
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:12:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.
A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.
There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

What about the pigs, could they have been brought to the island as
test subjects? I can't see pigs or large boars being indigenous to
the island.

The polar bears have to eat something...
Aren't razorbacks a North American species?

Wild boar are found in Europe, North America and Asia. But they could
have been transported to Lost Island by travelers at any time in the
past centuries.

[nfway]

Post by f***@spamcop.net

Post by Drax
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:12:53 GMT, "Steven L."

Post by Steven L.

Post by Hilda
Danielle said they had been on the island for 2 months before they
started getting sick. The Losties have only been there 40 something
days...maybe the disease is in the incubation stage.

I believe the illness no longer exists, and Desmond has been pushing
that damned button for nothing all these years.
A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a certain number of victims
as hosts for the bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims are
killed, there aren't enough hosts to continue transmitting the disease.
Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance on Lost Island) will kill
off the remaining viruses.
There just aren't enough people remaining on Lost Island anymore to keep
a plague circulating.

What about the pigs, could they have been brought to the island as
test subjects? I can't see pigs or large boars being indigenous to
the island.

The polar bears have to eat something...
Aren't razorbacks a North American species?

lots of ships used to bring pigs with them to new islands, so that they
would breed and there would be available fresh supplies for the ships on
subsequent visits. early Dutch, British, American sailing ships could
have brought the original population of pigs to the island and over time
they went feral.

i understand from the discovery channel, ;) that polar bears eat pretty
much anything they encounter on the ice, but on the island I imagine
they would spend most of their time in the water (to stay cool) hunting
for fish.

[J***@webtv.net]

Post by nfway
i understand from the discovery channel, ;)
that polar bears eat pretty much anything they
encounter on the ice, but on the island I
imagine they would spend most of their time
in the water (to stay cool) hunting for fish.

I can't see the Polar Bears surviving here, unless there's a shallow
lagoon nearby that could provide an abundance of fish. ...They would
quickly over-heat if they had to chase the pigs through the jungle.
..And the island seems to be void of insects. (Well it does seem to
lack mosquitos, so I assume there ain't no ants either.) ...Jon

[Steven L.]

Post by J***@webtv.net

Post by nfway
i understand from the discovery channel, ;)
that polar bears eat pretty much anything they
encounter on the ice, but on the island I
imagine they would spend most of their time
in the water (to stay cool) hunting for fish.

I can't see the Polar Bears surviving here, unless there's a shallow
lagoon nearby that could provide an abundance of fish. ...

There could be another underground DHARMA installation elsewhere on the
island that provides climate-controlled conditions for the polar bears.
That's what zoos in Southern states do to keep polar bears and
penguins that depend on colder temperatures.

[J***@webtv.net]

Post by Steven L.
There could be another underground
DHARMA installation elsewhere on the island
that provides climate-controlled conditions for
the polar bears.
=A0=A0=A0=A0That's what zoos in Southern states do to
keep polar bears and penguins that depend
on colder temperatures.

If this is the case, you would wonder what the heck the bears are doing
wandering around in the jungle heat. ...Of course, it is a fictional TV
show. ...Jon

[r***@bestweb.net]

Post by J***@webtv.net
I can't see the Polar Bears surviving here, unless there's a shallow
lagoon nearby that could provide an abundance of fish. ...They would
quickly over-heat if they had to chase the pigs through the jungle.

This canard has been around here for months. Polar bears don't
over-heat any more than do any other bears.

[J***@webtv.net]

Post by r***@bestweb.net

Post by J***@webtv.net
I can't see the Polar Bears surviving here,
unless there's a shallow lagoon nearby that
could provide an abundance of fish. ...They
would quickly over-heat if they had to chase
the pigs through the jungle.

This canard has been around here for months.
Polar bears don't over-heat any more than do
any other bears.

Incorrect... Just do a google search for: "Polar Bear Over Heat"
..They have 41/2 " of blubber, thus do not experience heat loss.
.Consequently, they over-heat very easily. ...I would imagine they
could adapt, over time... But the fake one we saw, looked like the
typical bear we see from the old coke ads. ...Jon

[astronomenoff]

Post by J***@webtv.net

Post by r***@bestweb.net

Post by J***@webtv.net
I can't see the Polar Bears surviving here,
unless there's a shallow lagoon nearby that
could provide an abundance of fish. ...They
would quickly over-heat if they had to chase
the pigs through the jungle.

This canard has been around here for months.
Polar bears don't over-heat any more than do
any other bears.

Incorrect... Just do a google search for: "Polar Bear Over Heat"
..They have 41/2 " of blubber, thus do not experience heat loss.
.Consequently, they over-heat very easily. ...I would imagine they
could adapt, over time... But the fake one we saw, looked like the
typical bear we see from the old coke ads. ...Jon

Please read:

"A polar bear is so well-insulated that it experiences almost no heat
loss. In addition to its insulating fur, the bear's blubber layer can
measure 4.5 inches thick.

So effective is the polar bear's insulation that adult males quickly overheat when they run.

Because polar bears give off no detectable heat, they do not show up in infrared photographs.
(Infrared film measures heat.) When a scientist attempted to photograph a
bear with such film, he produced a print with a single spot--the puff of
air caused by the animal's breath.

Sources: Lords of the Arctic by Richard C. Davids (Macmillan Publishing,
1982); Polar Bears by Ian Stirling (University of Michigan Press, Ann
Arbor, 1988); Daniel W. Koon, "Is Polar Bear Hair Fiber Optic?", Applied
Optics, Vol 37, page 3198. "

cut and paste from:

http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/facts3.php

I'm doing a lot of learning while trying to peer into future events on
this bloody show! Anybody else getting obsessed? Yes? Thought so...

Sean

[J***@webtv.net]

Post by astronomenoff
"A polar bear is so well-insulated that it
experiences almost no heat loss. In addition
to its insulating fur, the bear's blubber layer
can measure 4.5 inches thick.
So effective is the polar bear's insulation that
adult males quickly overheat when they run.

You're directing your "please read" to the wrong person. ...Robgood is
the dude who needs educating.

The Polar Bears should be able to adapt, though... Given the new
climate, they would quickly lose the insulating blubber, and their hair
"could" take on a green appearance from the algae multiplying within the
hairs, (due to the humidity). ...However, they depend mainly on seals
for food.. And these would probably be non-existant in this particular
location. ...Furthermore, I doubt they could catch the boars, so unless
there's a fish stocked lagoon nearby, or they're being hand fed, I can't
see them surviving. ...Jon

[astronomenoff]

Post by J***@webtv.net

Post by astronomenoff
"A polar bear is so well-insulated that it
experiences almost no heat loss. In addition
to its insulating fur, the bear's blubber layer
can measure 4.5 inches thick.
So effective is the polar bear's insulation that
adult males quickly overheat when they run.

You're directing your "please read" to the wrong person. ...Robgood is
the dude who needs educating.
The Polar Bears should be able to adapt, though... Given the new
climate, they would quickly lose the insulating blubber, and their hair
"could" take on a green appearance from the algae multiplying within the
hairs, (due to the humidity). ...However, they depend mainly on seals
for food.. And these would probably be non-existant in this particular
location. ...Furthermore, I doubt they could catch the boars, so unless
there's a fish stocked lagoon nearby, or they're being hand fed, I can't
see them surviving. ...Jon

Sorry, was replying to the thread, rather than any particular individual.
This is my first day of posting on usenet, after 10 years of 'lurking'!

This show is driving me mad (in a good way) I'm from the UK and have
downloaded all the episodes to enable me to catch up with the USA, now I
just have to wait for Thursday's 'torrent'!

I can't wait for the PC computer game license to come out - let's hope
they give it to the French - they make very meaningful game tie-ins.

cheers

Sean

[W***@webtv.net]

](PDT+7) From:
] ***@earthlinkNOSPAM.net (Steven=A0L.)

]I believe the illness no longer exists, and
] Desmond has been pushing that damned
] button for nothing all these years.

]A plague, particularly a viral one, requires a
] certain number of victims as hosts for the
] bugs to keep multiplying. Once enough victims
] are killed, there aren't enough hosts to
] continue transmitting the disease.

]=A0=A0=A0=A0Fresh air and sunshine (both in abundance
] on Lost Island) will kill off the remaining
] viruses.

]There just aren't enough people remaining on
] Lost Island anymore to keep a plague
] circulating.

Maybe there never was a Plague while Desmond was on the Island, they
just used that to keep him underground all those years. If there was a
plague how did Desmond get from his Boat, to the Bunker, with out
gettting the Plague?

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by W***@webtv.net
Maybe there never was a Plague while Desmond was on the Island, they
just used that to keep him underground all those years. If there was a
plague how did Desmond get from his Boat, to the Bunker, with out
gettting the Plague?

It's not as though he'd get the plague just by walking around alone
(well, okay, there might be infected fleas). Likely he encountered
Kelvin but not The Others..

[Tere]

Post by Steven L.

Post by Drax

Post by Charlie
Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this, but I don't see it in
the hundreds of posts here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that Desmond injects into
himself? He gathered up a bunch of them when he was making his escape.

Desmond asked Locke how many people were sick that and the word
Quarantine on the inside of the Hatch seem to imply Desmond believed
there was some type of plague on the island. The vial could be some
type of vaccine or it could just be part of a mind game by Dharma
Industries to see how far they could push someone before they snap.

Danielle's claim to Sayid that a contagious illness wiped out her entire
expedition would suggest that the plague Desmond fears is real enough
(or was, 16 years ago).

Actually, Danielle confessed to Sayid that she shot them. If they were
really sick than it doesn't change your point. But if Danielle is
delusional, they might not have been sick when she shot them.
Rousseau: The firing pin has been removed. Robert didn't notice it was
missing either when I shot him.

Sayid: But you loved him.

Rousseau: He was sick.

Sayid: Sick?

Rousseau: It took them, one after the other. I had no choice. They were
already lost.

Sayid: You killed them.

Rousseau: What would have happened if we were rescued? I couldn't let
that happen. I won't.

[bobC]

Post by Steven L.

Post by Drax

Post by Charlie
Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this, but I don't see it in
the hundreds of posts here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that Desmond injects into
himself? He gathered up a bunch of them when he was making his escape.

Desmond asked Locke how many people were sick that and the word
Quarantine on the inside of the Hatch seem to imply Desmond believed
there was some type of plague on the island. The vial could be some
type of vaccine or it could just be part of a mind game by Dharma
Industries to see how far they could push someone before they snap.

Danielle's claim to Sayid that a contagious illness wiped out her entire
expedition would suggest that the plague Desmond fears is real enough
(or was, 16 years ago).

Good point. Perhaps the contagious illness (plague) was the result of an
experiment gone bad.

This could be the "incident" that was referred to in the Orientation Film.

[Drax]

Post by bobC

Post by Steven L.

Post by Drax

Post by Charlie
Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this, but I don't see it in
the hundreds of posts here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that Desmond injects into
himself? He gathered up a bunch of them when he was making his escape.

Desmond asked Locke how many people were sick that and the word
Quarantine on the inside of the Hatch seem to imply Desmond believed
there was some type of plague on the island. The vial could be some
type of vaccine or it could just be part of a mind game by Dharma
Industries to see how far they could push someone before they snap.

Danielle's claim to Sayid that a contagious illness wiped out her entire
expedition would suggest that the plague Desmond fears is real enough
(or was, 16 years ago).

Good point. Perhaps the contagious illness (plague) was the result of an
experiment gone bad.
This could be the "incident" that was referred to in the Orientation Film.

I thought the Film implied the "incident" was somehow electromagnetic?

[J***@webtv.net]

Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this,
but I don't see it in the hundreds of posts
here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that
Desmond injects into himself? He gathered
up a bunch of them when he was making his
escape.

Maybe there's a version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", at work
here. ...I keep thinking about the English speaking Jin (of next week's
show) ....Perhaps clones are being developed on the island. Maybe the
vials contain a material that keeps one from being "twin--ed".
..Never mind-- it's getting late B-) ...Jon

[f***@spamcop.net]

Post by J***@webtv.net

Standard disclaimer: Sorry I don't know this,
but I don't see it in the hundreds of posts
here. Give me a break.
What are the thoughts on what in the vial that
Desmond injects into himself? He gathered
up a bunch of them when he was making his
escape.

Maybe there's a version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers",

No, that's _Invasion_.