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A question about Libby/Elizabeth
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Shevek
2006-06-02 05:59:37 UTC
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Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
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2006-06-02 09:34:25 UTC
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Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
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Shevek
If Libby's story about her losing her husband was true, her ending up
at a mental hospital might be the result of her not being able to get
over her husband's death, anyway, since she is dead now, I dont think
we will get a clear answer to all the mysteries surrounding Libby, that
character has so much potential, yet so little of her pontential is
realized, damn it, writers, I want to know who Libby really is, I want
to know whether she is an other or not, I want to know her ostensible
show of love to Hurley is because she is really falling for him, or
because of his bank account. There are so many unanswered questions
about Libby, writers, you owe me.
nut
2006-06-02 13:29:54 UTC
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If Libby's story about her losing her husband was true, her ending up
at a mental hospital might be the result of her not being able to get
over her husband's death, anyway, since she is dead now, I dont think
we will get a clear answer to all the mysteries surrounding Libby,
that character has so much potential, yet so little of her pontential
is realized, damn it, writers, I want to know who Libby really is, I
want to know whether she is an other or not, I want to know her
ostensible show of love to Hurley is because she is really falling
for him, or because of his bank account. There are so many unanswered
questions about Libby, writers, you owe me.
She had to be killed off before Desmond returned to the island... but maybe
when Desmond & Hurley get talking they'll discover they bother knew her
before the wreck... and we'll get another backstory to fill in the missing
pieces.
Steven L.
2006-06-02 17:55:15 UTC
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Post by nut
She had to be killed off before Desmond returned to the island... but maybe
when Desmond & Hurley get talking they'll discover they bother knew her
before the wreck... and we'll get another backstory to fill in the missing
pieces.
Even if Hurley mentions "Libby," Desmond may not realize that is the
same person as the "Elizabeth" who gave him her boat. After all,
neither has a photograph of Libby/Elizabeth to show the other one. And
"Elizabeth" is hardly an unusual name.
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Deneph
2006-06-02 18:26:19 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by nut
She had to be killed off before Desmond returned to the island... but maybe
when Desmond & Hurley get talking they'll discover they bother knew her
before the wreck... and we'll get another backstory to fill in the missing
pieces.
Even if Hurley mentions "Libby," Desmond may not realize that is the
same person as the "Elizabeth" who gave him her boat. After all,
neither has a photograph of Libby/Elizabeth to show the other one. And
"Elizabeth" is hardly an unusual name.
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I'm not so sure that Libby is really dead. Having the girl come back
to life during her autopsy sort of opened a door for a Libby
resurrection. Of course she's been buried now and having her rise
would bring on a real 'Carrie' type scene, but that could be good. I
think Libby is too important to be dead already. I think Libby will be
back, screaming and dirty, but she'll be back.
number6
2006-06-02 18:38:59 UTC
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Post by Deneph
I'm not so sure that Libby is really dead. Having the girl come back
to life during her autopsy sort of opened a door for a Libby
resurrection. Of course she's been buried now and having her rise
would bring on a real 'Carrie' type scene, but that could be good. I
think Libby is too important to be dead already. I think Libby will be
back, screaming and dirty, but she'll be back.
I liked the character Libby ... I thought they could have done a lot
with her ... both on the Island with Hurley and her back story anf the
intrigue with Widmore and Dharma and Hanso ... and for the life of me
can't understand why they killed her off ...
That said ... bringing her back as you suggest would be a travesty ...
Deneph
2006-06-02 19:11:57 UTC
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Post by number6
Post by Deneph
I'm not so sure that Libby is really dead. Having the girl come back
to life during her autopsy sort of opened a door for a Libby
resurrection. Of course she's been buried now and having her rise
would bring on a real 'Carrie' type scene, but that could be good. I
think Libby is too important to be dead already. I think Libby will be
back, screaming and dirty, but she'll be back.
I liked the character Libby ... I thought they could have done a lot
with her ... both on the Island with Hurley and her back story anf the
intrigue with Widmore and Dharma and Hanso ... and for the life of me
can't understand why they killed her off ...
That said ... bringing her back as you suggest would be a travesty ...
Why a travesty? You mean the digging herself out of her grave? Well,
yeah, that would be morbid - if they showed it. But it's a bit of a
coincidence that they kill her off right after we find out she's in
Hurley's institute with no explanation and then they bring another girl
back to life. On top of that we get another island connection with her
via the boat.
I also remember when they were burying Ethan they made sure to include
a shot of his hand and lots of people thought he was breathing. I just
think there's a chance that depending on who it is, dead may not mean
dead on this island. I liked Libby too and really want Hurley to
have her back (he needs some lovin' he does). I'm probably grasping,
but I think there's a chance she'll come back.
r***@bestweb.net
2006-06-02 19:57:27 UTC
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Post by Deneph
Post by number6
Post by Deneph
I'm not so sure that Libby is really dead. Having the girl come back
to life during her autopsy sort of opened a door for a Libby
resurrection. Of course she's been buried now and having her rise
would bring on a real 'Carrie' type scene, but that could be good. I
think Libby is too important to be dead already. I think Libby will be
back, screaming and dirty, but she'll be back.
I liked the character Libby ... I thought they could have done a lot
with her ... both on the Island with Hurley and her back story anf the
intrigue with Widmore and Dharma and Hanso ... and for the life of me
can't understand why they killed her off ...
That said ... bringing her back as you suggest would be a travesty ...
Why a travesty? You mean the digging herself out of her grave? Well,
yeah, that would be morbid - if they showed it. But it's a bit of a
coincidence that they kill her off right after we find out she's in
Hurley's institute with no explanation and then they bring another girl
back to life. On top of that we get another island connection with her
via the boat.
I also remember when they were burying Ethan they made sure to include
a shot of his hand and lots of people thought he was breathing. I just
think there's a chance that depending on who it is, dead may not mean
dead on this island. I liked Libby too and really want Hurley to
have her back (he needs some lovin' he does). I'm probably grasping,
but I think there's a chance she'll come back.
The undead girl was there primarily for one reason: to give us
additional reason to think Jack's father is alive. (I think he is.)
They were showing us that someone can appear (even to a MD) to be dead
yet not be dead, but not in the case of someone shot to death or
otherwise having died traumatically. The girl was a supposed drowning
victim and her life might've been prolonged by hypothermia.

The last show Damon worked on before this one was "Crossing Jordan",
which concerned a pathologist.

Robert
Deneph
2006-06-02 20:26:44 UTC
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Post by Deneph
Post by number6
Post by Deneph
I'm not so sure that Libby is really dead. Having the girl come back
to life during her autopsy sort of opened a door for a Libby
resurrection. Of course she's been buried now and having her rise
would bring on a real 'Carrie' type scene, but that could be good. I
think Libby is too important to be dead already. I think Libby will be
back, screaming and dirty, but she'll be back.
I liked the character Libby ... I thought they could have done a lot
with her ... both on the Island with Hurley and her back story anf the
intrigue with Widmore and Dharma and Hanso ... and for the life of me
can't understand why they killed her off ...
That said ... bringing her back as you suggest would be a travesty ...
Why a travesty? You mean the digging herself out of her grave? Well,
yeah, that would be morbid - if they showed it. But it's a bit of a
coincidence that they kill her off right after we find out she's in
Hurley's institute with no explanation and then they bring another girl
back to life. On top of that we get another island connection with her
via the boat.
I also remember when they were burying Ethan they made sure to include
a shot of his hand and lots of people thought he was breathing. I just
think there's a chance that depending on who it is, dead may not mean
dead on this island. I liked Libby too and really want Hurley to
have her back (he needs some lovin' he does). I'm probably grasping,
but I think there's a chance she'll come back.
The undead girl was there primarily for one reason: to give us
additional reason to think Jack's father is alive. (I think he is.)
They were showing us that someone can appear (even to a MD) to be dead
yet not be dead, but not in the case of someone shot to death or
otherwise having died traumatically. The girl was a supposed drowning
victim and her life might've been prolonged by hypothermia.
The last show Damon worked on before this one was "Crossing Jordan",
which concerned a pathologist.
Robert
That makes sense. Well, since I've got 6 months to kill before we find
out, I'll just go on hoping against hope.
c***@webtv.net
2006-06-02 18:48:21 UTC
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When Libby/Elizabeth gave the boat to Desmond, she said her dead
husband, David, would want him to have it. Why would he want him to have
it? Just because they both liked sailing or did Libby's husband know
Desmond? Just something that caught my attention.
David Cheatham
2006-06-06 01:35:10 UTC
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Post by c***@webtv.net
When Libby/Elizabeth gave the boat to Desmond, she said her dead
husband, David, would want him to have it. Why would he want him to
have it? Just because they both liked sailing or did Libby's husband
know Desmond? Just something that caught my attention.
And is David a real person, or is he just Hurley's friend Dave?
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David Cheatham
2006-06-06 01:33:43 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by nut
She had to be killed off before Desmond returned to the island...
but maybe when Desmond & Hurley get talking they'll discover they
bother knew her before the wreck... and we'll get another
backstory to fill in the missing pieces.
Even if Hurley mentions "Libby," Desmond may not realize that is the
same person as the "Elizabeth" who gave him her boat. After all,
neither has a photograph of Libby/Elizabeth to show the other one.
And "Elizabeth" is hardly an unusual name.
Maybe the boat has a picture on it.

Or possibly Hurley kept her driver's license or some other photo of her.
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angel
2006-06-02 23:06:51 UTC
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Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
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Shevek
If Libby's story about her losing her husband was true, her ending up
at a mental hospital might be the result of her not being able to get
over her husband's death, anyway, since she is dead now, I dont think
we will get a clear answer to all the mysteries surrounding Libby, that
character has so much potential, yet so little of her pontential is
realized, damn it, writers, I want to know who Libby really is, I want
to know whether she is an other or not, I want to know her ostensible
show of love to Hurley is because she is really falling for him, or
because of his bank account. There are so many unanswered questions
about Libby, writers, you owe me.
I disagree. It seems that Libby is the main person who is in
everyone's lives. she has had interaction with the most characters
outside of the island and I think we will see much much more of her
and retrieve her story via the backstories of our other losties.

If there is truth behind how much of "the others", season 3 will be
based on; then I think we will see back stories for Tom Friendly and
(aka) Henry Gale as well as our own losties. I'd bet the bank that we
will see Libby in their backstories too.

that's my 2 cents
Steven L.
2006-06-02 10:13:23 UTC
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Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character?
Yep, that's why they were played by the same actress, Cynthia Watros.
The different hairstyles she wears are supposed to denote different
years in time.
Post by Shevek
If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
Unknown as of yet. Too few flashbacks to put it all together. With
Libby, we're about where we were with Kate after Episode 1.12 "Whatever
the Case May Be." We have a little idea of some things she was involved
with, but we never did reach a full timeline of her backstory till Season 2.
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2006-06-02 13:02:11 UTC
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Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character?
Yep, that's why they were played by the same actress, Cynthia Watros.
The different hairstyles she wears are supposed to denote different
years in time.
.....Elizabeth's appearrance at the airport with Desmond was so
"contrived", her hairstyle was a bad wig that didn't fit and those
painted on auburn eyebrows were so fake....Libby was in "disquise" for
whatever reason I don't know. The "Lost" production has a better make
up crew than that, with all the hair extentions available etc.. If it
was only to show her character years earlier the make-up & hair would
have been more natural. This scene showed that the character was in
disguise trying to modify her appearance to deceive. To further prove
this, Elizabeth's character told Desmond she was a rich widow, so why
did a rich lady wear such a cheap wig? ..Libby also looked entirely
different at Santa Rosa too..her hair goes thru alot of color
changes...could she have been an undercover spy working for
Dharma/Widmore in some way? I think so. That whole airport scene was
suspect and planned to get Desmond on a boat to Lost Island..
Tifer
2006-06-02 13:25:03 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character?
Yep, that's why they were played by the same actress, Cynthia Watros.
The different hairstyles she wears are supposed to denote different
years in time.
.....Elizabeth's appearrance at the airport with Desmond was so
"contrived", her hairstyle was a bad wig that didn't fit and those
painted on auburn eyebrows were so fake....Libby was in "disquise" for
whatever reason I don't know. The "Lost" production has a better make
up crew than that,
I don't think it's that she was in disguise.

It was supposed to be at least 3 years prior to her on the island, so
they probably just wanted to make her look different. And if she was
in disguise so as not to give away her identity, she blew it when she
gave up her name.

As for her looking so bad -- in your opinion -- if you didn't know what
"Libby" looked like, there was no way you could tell she was in a wig
with colored eyebrows.
David Cheatham
2006-06-06 01:36:29 UTC
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Post by Tifer
Post by k***@aol.com
Post by Steven L.
Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and
Libby, ¿are supposed to be the same character?
Yep, that's why they were played by the same actress, Cynthia
Watros. The different hairstyles she wears are supposed to
denote different years in time.
.....Elizabeth's appearrance at the airport with Desmond was so
"contrived", her hairstyle was a bad wig that didn't fit and those
painted on auburn eyebrows were so fake....Libby was in "disquise"
for whatever reason I don't know. The "Lost" production has a
better make up crew than that,
I don't think it's that she was in disguise.
It was supposed to be at least 3 years prior to her on the island, so
they probably just wanted to make her look different. And if she was
in disguise so as not to give away her identity, she blew it when she
gave up her name.
'Her name'? Who told you what her name was?
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Barry Lee
2006-06-02 13:23:21 UTC
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I agree. Libby is one of the people scattered around the world searching out
special individuals, and then directing them to the island. She's a deceiver
(ever since Drew Carey dumped her).
TheNewsGuy(Mike)
2006-06-02 13:14:40 UTC
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...
.....Elizabeth's appearrance at the airport with Desmond was so
"contrived", her hairstyle was a bad wig that didn't fit and those
painted on auburn eyebrows were so fake....Libby was in "disquise" for
whatever reason I don't know....
Since her hair bordered on "orange", melroseman will agree with you.

He theorizes that "orange" is used to signify deception in LOST. maybe.
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2006-06-02 17:21:06 UTC
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.....Elizabeth's appearrance at the airport with Desmond was so
"contrived", her hairstyle was a bad wig that didn't fit and those
painted on auburn eyebrows were so fake....Libby was in "disquise" for
whatever reason I don't know.
It was a poor disguise. Worse even than Clarke Kent's.
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h***@animail.net
2006-06-02 18:47:18 UTC
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Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
When her husband's family learned that she had given his boat to a
stranger she met in a coffee shop, they used this as evidence that she
was mentally unstable, had her committed, and got power of attorney
over her finances. They never liked her and wanted her money.

Just speculation, needless to say.

himiko
Barkomatic
2006-06-02 21:59:15 UTC
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Post by h***@animail.net
Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
When her husband's family learned that she had given his boat to a
stranger she met in a coffee shop, they used this as evidence that she
was mentally unstable, had her committed, and got power of attorney
over her finances. They never liked her and wanted her money.
Just speculation, needless to say.
Holy cow! That actually makes sense.
Ryan Robbins
2006-06-03 01:13:25 UTC
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Post by Barkomatic
Post by h***@animail.net
Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
When her husband's family learned that she had given his boat to a
stranger she met in a coffee shop, they used this as evidence that she
was mentally unstable, had her committed, and got power of attorney
over her finances. They never liked her and wanted her money.
Just speculation, needless to say.
Holy cow! That actually makes sense.
No it doesn't. You can't commit somebody just because they are mentally
unstable.
number6
2006-06-03 01:16:33 UTC
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Post by Ryan Robbins
No it doesn't. You can't commit somebody just because they are mentally
unstable.
but you can commit TO somebody ... ask my wife ...
Mitch Crane
2006-06-03 02:58:20 UTC
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When her husband's family learned that she had given his boat to a
stranger she met in a coffee shop, they used this as evidence that she
was mentally unstable, had her committed, and got power of attorney
over her finances. They never liked her and wanted her money.
Just speculation, needless to say.
Holy cow! That actually makes sense.
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of mental
illness.
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Middlebrow
2006-06-03 21:27:42 UTC
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Post by Barkomatic
Post by h***@animail.net
When her husband's family learned that she had given his boat to a
stranger she met in a coffee shop, they used this as evidence that she
was mentally unstable, had her committed, and got power of attorney
over her finances. They never liked her and wanted her money.
Just speculation, needless to say.
Holy cow! That actually makes sense.
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of mental
illness.
Even more to the point, getting rid of something that serves as a reminder
of intense emotional pain is actually a sign of mental health.
Mitch Crane
2006-06-03 22:21:53 UTC
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Post by Mitch Crane
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of
mental illness.
Even more to the point, getting rid of something that serves as a
reminder of intense emotional pain is actually a sign of mental
health.
Good point.
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h***@animail.net
2006-06-03 23:11:37 UTC
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Post by Middlebrow
Post by Mitch Crane
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of
mental illness.
Even more to the point, getting rid of something that serves as a
reminder of intense emotional pain is actually a sign of mental
health.
Good point.
That may well be, but it's not my point. My point is that such an
incident (giving something very valuable to a total stranger met in a
coffee shop is unconventional behavior) could be used by others as
partial evidence of instability, manic-depression, or just being too
distraught to handle her own affaires...I.E. an excuse for gaining
power or attorney. This has nothing to do with whether or not Libby
was actually doing something irrational or was actually mentally ill.
She might have been or she might have been framed. The point is that
someone else (Locke's father? Sawyer?) might have used it.

And anyway, it's just speculation since the lack of any real info
precludes anything else.

himiko
Ryan Robbins
2006-06-04 00:48:14 UTC
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Post by Middlebrow
Post by Mitch Crane
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of mental
illness.
Even more to the point, getting rid of something that serves as a reminder
of intense emotional pain is actually a sign of mental health.
Not necessarily.
Mitch Crane
2006-06-04 01:03:57 UTC
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Post by Ryan Robbins
Post by Middlebrow
Post by Mitch Crane
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of mental
illness.
Even more to the point, getting rid of something that serves as a
reminder of intense emotional pain is actually a sign of mental
health.
Not necessarily.
OJ?
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Middlebrow
2006-06-04 01:33:27 UTC
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Post by Ryan Robbins
Post by Middlebrow
Post by Mitch Crane
Not really. Donating a boat to a guy hardly constitutes evidence of mental
illness.
Even more to the point, getting rid of something that serves as a
reminder of intense emotional pain is actually a sign of mental
health.
Not necessarily.
OJ?
It took me a second but...

LOL!
Steven L.
2006-06-03 03:00:30 UTC
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Post by Shevek
Elizabeth, the woman Desmond found and got him the boat, and Libby, ¿are
supposed to be the same character? If they are, what would be the
timeline fot being a rich widow and staying in a poor mental hospital?
When her husband's family learned that she had given his boat to a
stranger she met in a coffee shop, they used this as evidence that she
was mentally unstable, had her committed, and got power of attorney
over her finances. They never liked her and wanted her money.
That would be impossible. You can't just have someone committed because
of eccentric behavior. Physicians would have to judge Libby to be
either a danger to herself or to others. Being a "madcap heiress" and
giving away her boat, or gambling all her money away in casinos, won't
cut it. And from the way she acted in the hospital scene in "Dave,"
there was a lot more wrong with Libby than an eagerness to part with her
possessions.

Today, with the advent of modern neuropsychiatric medicine and managed
care, mental hospitals will do their very best to avoid committing to a
long-term hospital stay for a patient. They will find the right
cocktail of meds to stabilize the patient's condition and then they will
start re-integrating the patient back into society.
Post by h***@animail.net
Just speculation, needless to say.
Needless to say, your concept of psychiatric medicine and mental
hospitals is about 30 years out of date. This is the age of
neuroleptics and HMOs.
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2006-06-03 03:41:06 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
That would be impossible. You can't just have someone committed because
of eccentric behavior. Physicians would have to judge Libby to be
either a danger to herself or to others. Being a "madcap heiress" and
giving away her boat, or gambling all her money away in casinos, won't
cut it. And from the way she acted in the hospital scene in "Dave,"
there was a lot more wrong with Libby than an eagerness to part with her
possessions.
Well, by then she was drugged. I was, however, assuming that her
behavior would have been odd in more ways than just the scene we saw.
She may have had problems before (I'm guessing bipolar) and that would
be exacerbated by grief. It actually IS possible to get someone
committed if you really put your mind to it and have the money to
provide your own doctors to sign off on diagnoses and lawyers to
implement them. It does help, of course, if the person already has a
history of mental illness.

A close friend of mine is actually going through this with her mother.
She had a stroke after which her husband and his daughter from another
marriage had her declared unfit to manage her own affairs. She's
pretty much back up on her feet, when not drugged. But she's also
confined to a facility where she is kept drugged...especially when/if
her daughters try to have her tested by anyone not hired by her
husband. Her money and properties are vanishing at an amazing speed.
Post by Steven L.
Today, with the advent of modern neuropsychiatric medicine and managed
care, mental hospitals will do their very best to avoid committing to a
long-term hospital stay for a patient. They will find the right
cocktail of meds to stabilize the patient's condition and then they will
start re-integrating the patient back into society.
Post by h***@animail.net
Just speculation, needless to say.
Needless to say, your concept of psychiatric medicine and mental
hospitals is about 30 years out of date. This is the age of
neuroleptics and HMOs.
And you are clearly living in the best of all possible worlds. It
doesn't always work that way.

himiko
Ryan Robbins
2006-06-03 09:50:01 UTC
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Post by h***@animail.net
It actually IS possible to get someone
committed if you really put your mind to it and have the money to
provide your own doctors to sign off on diagnoses and lawyers to
implement them.
No it's not. A judge has to sign off on involuntary commitment, and two
independent doctors have to sign off before then.
Hreb Levy
2006-06-03 11:50:40 UTC
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Post by Ryan Robbins
Post by h***@animail.net
It actually IS possible to get someone
committed if you really put your mind to it and have the money to
provide your own doctors to sign off on diagnoses and lawyers to
implement them.
No it's not. A judge has to sign off on involuntary commitment, and two
independent doctors have to sign off before then.
In the US, the laws for how to get someone committed differ in every state.
Brenda Krause
2006-06-03 13:16:32 UTC
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Post by Steven L.
That would be impossible. You can't just have someone committed because
of eccentric behavior. Physicians would have to judge Libby to be either
a danger to herself or to others. Being a "madcap heiress" and giving
away her boat, or gambling all her money away in casinos, won't cut it.
And from the way she acted in the hospital scene in "Dave," there was a
lot more wrong with Libby than an eagerness to part with her possessions.
Today, with the advent of modern neuropsychiatric medicine and managed
care, mental hospitals will do their very best to avoid committing to a
long-term hospital stay for a patient. They will find the right cocktail
of meds to stabilize the patient's condition and then they will start
re-integrating the patient back into society.
A suicide attempt would get you involuntarily committed most of the time.
(Occasionally poeple make the attempt to get attention, or realize pretty
quickly they made a mistake, but otherwise you've got at least a few days in
the hospital ahead of you.) She seemed pretty despondent about her husband
when talking with Desmond.

Also, and I don't think this has been explored, I wonder if Libby's bad wig
was from having lost her hair, possibly to chemo. All speculation of course,
but if she survived a bout of cancer, then her husband got sick and died,
depresssion would be, of not inevitable, a natural response.

BK
thinbluemime
2006-06-03 13:21:36 UTC
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Post by Brenda Krause
Also, and I don't think this has been explored, I wonder if Libby's bad wig
was from having lost her hair, possibly to chemo. All speculation of course,
but if she survived a bout of cancer, then her husband got sick and died,
depresssion would be, of not inevitable, a natural response.
BK
Good thought. She also may have been exposed to some other form of
radiation poisoning, resulting in hair loss.
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h***@animail.net
2006-06-03 15:15:25 UTC
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Post by thinbluemime
Post by Brenda Krause
Also, and I don't think this has been explored, I wonder if Libby's bad wig
was from having lost her hair, possibly to chemo. All speculation of course,
but if she survived a bout of cancer, then her husband got sick and died,
depresssion would be, of not inevitable, a natural response.
Interesting idea. Libby did have the look of someone who has been
through the mill. I'm sorry they killed her. Sure, we can still see
her backstory in flashbacks, but I'd have loved to see her and Rose
have a chat. Maybe she'll be back as a ghost.
Post by thinbluemime
Good thought. She also may have been exposed to some other form of
radiation poisoning, resulting in hair loss.
Possibly as a result of having worked for Widmore Labs? Or Dharma
Corp.? (I think they also made boxes.) ;)

himiko
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