jin's handcuffs

[OH HELL YEAH!!!]

Do you notice that Jin's handcuff is still on from when they tied him
up. At least the continuity is good when it comes to that. I mean how
else could he have gotten them off.

[Kelly]

I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

Post by OH HELL YEAH!!!
Do you notice that Jin's handcuff is still on from when they tied him
up. At least the continuity is good when it comes to that. I mean how
else could he have gotten them off.

[Roland Perry]

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

[Melroseman]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

But I'm guessing the cuffs needed to stay on Jin's wrist as they came
into play sometime between the raft attack and him ending up on the
island before Michael & Sawyer. In other words, they got tangled onto
the shark... or boat...

[Kelly]

What do you mean by the cuffs got tangled on the boat or shark? I don't
remember this.

I'm wondering why is it necessary to the plot (or future plot) that Jin
still have the handcuff on?

Post by Melroseman

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was rubbing
her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They cuffed Jin
without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where the keys are
since they now know that she was the fugitive.
But I'm guessing the cuffs needed to stay on Jin's wrist as they came into
play sometime between the raft attack and him ending up on the island
before Michael & Sawyer. In other words, they got tangled onto the
shark... or boat...
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[Melroseman]

Post by Kelly
What do you mean by the cuffs got tangled on the boat or shark? I don't
remember this.
I'm wondering why is it necessary to the plot (or future plot) that Jin
still have the handcuff on?

It's a theory.

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by Kelly
I'm wondering why is it necessary to the plot (or future plot) that Jin
still have the handcuff on?

At this point it appears that Jin can only get rid of the handcuff via
amputation. However, it's always possible that someone in the new
group might have lock-picking skills.

[mike murphy]

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

Easy to pick ( especially if you have someone else do it). main reason
they usually hook you up with your hands behind you so you can't get to
them easily

[rwgibson13]

Very odd. Just looked at the pilot episode again and Kate does unlock
them to get to the air masks, but the final shot of the scene has one
(and only one) of them hanging off one of her wrists...

Trivial stuff, but unless she stuck it in a pocket, I don't see how she
held onto the keys through the crash. Does it take the set to open each
cuff one at a time?

RWG (maybe he just had a second set - or the writers screwed up :-)

[rwgibson13]

Post by Melroseman

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

IIRC, didn't she unlock the cuffs while she was still on the airplance
pre-crash? Just after the marshall got conked on the head, she rifled
through his vest pocket, got the keys, unlocked herself and that's how
she managed to put the mask over his face?

It's been a while since I watched the pilot episode, so I may be
wrong...

RWG (but I'm right, the keys are probably out in the middle of the
Pacific somewhere and Jin is out of luck :-)

[Melroseman]

Post by rwgibson13

Post by Melroseman

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

IIRC, didn't she unlock the cuffs while she was still on the airplance
pre-crash? Just after the marshall got conked on the head, she rifled
through his vest pocket, got the keys, unlocked herself and that's how
she managed to put the mask over his face?
It's been a while since I watched the pilot episode, so I may be
wrong...
RWG (but I'm right, the keys are probably out in the middle of the
Pacific somewhere and Jin is out of luck :-)

She had to still have the keys once they crashed, otherwise, she'd still
be shackled around the ankles. No?

Do cuff keys stay lodged in the cuff's keyhole until one pulls them out?
Anyone out there familiar with cuffs?

[rwgibson13]

Post by Melroseman

Post by rwgibson13

Post by Melroseman

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

IIRC, didn't she unlock the cuffs while she was still on the airplance
pre-crash? Just after the marshall got conked on the head, she rifled
through his vest pocket, got the keys, unlocked herself and that's how
she managed to put the mask over his face?
It's been a while since I watched the pilot episode, so I may be
wrong...
RWG (but I'm right, the keys are probably out in the middle of the
Pacific somewhere and Jin is out of luck :-)

She had to still have the keys once they crashed, otherwise, she'd still
be shackled around the ankles. No?

Was that scene with the ankle cuffs in "Exodus"? I can't recall...
When I saw the pilot episode, I'd just figured she'd been cuffed to the
seat somehow and that's what she removed to get to the air masks.

If she was cuffed by the ankles it would have been just as hard for her
to have fled the crash site as it was for Locke to have ended up on the
beach without being able to walk there :-)

Hmm, that staged crash theory is starting to pop up in my mind again
:-)

Watch, out, here comes Robg! LOL

Post by Melroseman
Do cuff keys stay lodged in the cuff's keyhole until one pulls them out?
Anyone out there familiar with cuffs?

Good question.

RWG (I bet the writers didn't even think about it :-)

[scott]

IIRC, there was a scene where you could see a loop of cable that,
presumably, led to her ankle restraints. The handcuffs were then
threaded through the loop, effectively hog-tying her in the plane seat.
I am sorry that I can't remember the episode. Someone help me out
here if they remember, or please correct me if I am wrong.

[Melroseman]

Post by scott
IIRC, there was a scene where you could see a loop of cable that,
presumably, led to her ankle restraints. The handcuffs were then
threaded through the loop, effectively hog-tying her in the plane seat.
I am sorry that I can't remember the episode. Someone help me out
here if they remember, or please correct me if I am wrong.

That was in the last few moments of the season finale during the
boarding montage and prior to opening the hatch.

[Maureen Goldman]

Post by Melroseman
Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

Kate unlocked the handcuffs while the plane was falling apart, with
oxygen being her primary concern. She had no reason to tuck the key
away.

[Melroseman]

Post by Maureen Goldman

Post by Melroseman
Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

Kate unlocked the handcuffs while the plane was falling apart, with
oxygen being her primary concern. She had no reason to tuck the key
away.

So how did she plan on unlocking her leg restraints? And how did she?

I've asked before, does the key stay in the keyhole of a cuff or is it
loose fitting?

[Fred Ellis]

Post by Melroseman

Post by Maureen Goldman

Post by Melroseman
Kate should know where she chucked the keys. She must have unlocked the
cuffs just before we first see her in the pilot episode - she was
rubbing her wrist. The cuffs were then found unlocked by Walt. They
cuffed Jin without needing any keys. They really should ask Kate where
the keys are since they now know that she was the fugitive.

Kate unlocked the handcuffs while the plane was falling apart, with
oxygen being her primary concern. She had no reason to tuck the key
away.

So how did she plan on unlocking her leg restraints? And how did she?
I've asked before, does the key stay in the keyhole of a cuff or is it
loose fitting?
--

To try and answer your question is not easy. How loose is loose
fitting. A handcuff key can stay in the keyhole. But how much jarring
does it take of the handcuff to knock the key out. It depends on the
individual handcuff and key. Some keys once inserted in the keyhole
maybe firmly held in place and might take quite a bit of jarring to
knock them loose. Other keys may not fit so tight and can be jarred
loose easily. As I said, it all depends on how firm the key is held in
place of the keyhole.


Fred Ellis

[scott]

I can see how a key might get stuck inside the heyhole. Handcuffs have
a key guidepost within, and the end of the key must slide over the
guidepost before it can be rotated to unlock the cuff. If the key is
then rotated, it has no way of coming out of the lock until it is
rotated back and pulled off of the guide post. As Fred said, it is not
easy to know.

Now, another pet peeve of mine about the depiction of handcuffs on TV
is the length of chain between the cuffs. On TV the length is often a
foot or more, while in reality there are seldom more than 2 links of
chain in between. It often looks like the prop department uses leg
restraints for handcuffs. The long chains are often plot contrivances
that allow for the detainee to step through the cuffs and then choke
their captors. This really pisses me off because no cop or
correctional officer would carry or use something so dangerous.

I can't remember if Kate was bound with similar cuffs on the plane, but
I know Jin was. I am not sure if Jin was cuffed with leg restraints or
just Hollywood handcuffs.

[J.T.]

Post by scott
I can see how a key might get stuck inside the heyhole. Handcuffs have
a key guidepost within, and the end of the key must slide over the
guidepost before it can be rotated to unlock the cuff. If the key is
then rotated, it has no way of coming out of the lock until it is
rotated back and pulled off of the guide post. As Fred said, it is not
easy to know.
Now, another pet peeve of mine about the depiction of handcuffs on TV
is the length of chain between the cuffs. On TV the length is often a
foot or more, while in reality there are seldom more than 2 links of
chain in between. It often looks like the prop department uses leg
restraints for handcuffs. The long chains are often plot contrivances
that allow for the detainee to step through the cuffs and then choke
their captors. This really pisses me off because no cop or
correctional officer would carry or use something so dangerous.
I can't remember if Kate was bound with similar cuffs on the plane, but
I know Jin was. I am not sure if Jin was cuffed with leg restraints or
just Hollywood handcuffs.

Looked like Kate had long-chain handcuffs that were bound to her ankle
cuffs.

[c***@webtv.net]

Maybe Kate didn't have leg shackles on in the plane. I mean, where's
she gonna go even f she did get her handcuffs off in a plane anyway?
Maybe her long chain handcuffs were around the leg of the chair in front
of her.

[Noneya]

Post by Roland Perry

Post by Kelly
I noticed that too, but I figured someone would have the key. Where are the
keys to the handcuffs?

They must have been on the island at some stage, otherwise they couldn't
have put them on Jin. Kate could have squeezed out of them, perhaps, but
they'd still be locked.

You do not need keys to put them on, only to take them off.

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