Did Sayid kill Desmond?

[Paul]

Hi again...


I looked though and didn't see any postings on this so I apologize in
advance if I somehow missed it.


How many people think Sayid killed Desmond?


How many people think he didn't?


My vote....he didn't kill Desmond even though he told Flocke he did.


Peace all.


Paulie

[thinbluemime]

Post by Paul
Hi again...
I looked though and didn't see any postings on this so I apologize in
advance if I somehow missed it.
How many people think Sayid killed Desmond?
How many people think he didn't?
My vote....he didn't kill Desmond even though he told Flocke he did.

Sayid did not kill Desmond, and MIB knew he wouldn't. It was a procedure
for Sayid to get his heart back. When Sayid told Locke he had just shot an
unarmed man, check out Sayid's sly grin. Sayid is beginning to feel again,
Sayid is regaining his humanity.

[tdciago]

Sayid did not kill Desmond, and MIB knew he wouldn't. It was a procedure �
for Sayid to get his heart back.

Are you saying that MIB *wants* Sayid to get his heart back?

[thinbluemime]

Post by tdciago

Sayid did not kill Desmond, and MIB knew he wouldn't. It was a =
procedure =EF=BF=BD
for Sayid to get his heart back.

Are you saying that MIB *wants* Sayid to get his heart back?

Yes. Even though MIB appears dark, I think (I hope) he will turn out to =
be =

the light side of the Lost equation.

I think it may be wrong to assume that MIB took Sayid's heart and =

emotions. Remember Dogen and crew finished killing Sayid after he was =

almost dead from Roger's gunshot wound. MIB brought him back to physical=
=

life. I think MIB is working to bring Sayid back to spiritual life. And =
I =

know I could be wrong, too :)

It would be to easy for the Lost writers to call a character 'black' and=
=

have him actually be a dark hearted creature. I think we are in for some=
=

big twists and turns in the month of May.

-- =

http://www.lostdude.com

[tdciago]

Even though MIB appears dark, I think (I hope) he will turn out to be  
the light side of the Lost equation.

You know, I'm starting to think that MIB does not represent evil, per
se; he represents *knowledge*. After all, that's what the serpent in
the Garden of Evil offered to Adam and Eve.

If one is a proponent of Faith, then knowledge — especially scientific
knowledge — can be seen as a very dangerous thing to unleash upon the
world, because it threatens to destroy Faith. DHARMA came to the
island seeking answers. They didn't *believe*. They wanted to
*know*. And they tapped into this thing that the show has called an
electromagnetic anomaly. Perhaps that anomaly is simply the light of
knowledge. Too much at once might be overwhelming.

This all goes back to the essential conflict of the show, Faith vs.
Science, which I believe is simply another way of describing the Age
of Pisces vs. the Age of Aquarius.

So it's possible that MIB *is* the light side of the equation, if
light = knowledge. I guess there are different interpretations of
what "enlightenment" means. It can be religious or it can be secular
enlightenment.

[tdciago]

Post by tdciago
the Garden of Evil

Boy, was *that* a Freudian slip or what? LOL.

[thinbluemime]

Post by tdciago

Post by tdciago
the Garden of Evil

Boy, was *that* a Freudian slip or what? LOL.

LOL, I scanned it so fast my subconscious filled in the logical details =
:)


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[Hunter]

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says...

Post by Paul
Hi again...
I looked though and didn't see any postings on this so I apologize in
advance if I somehow missed it.
How many people think Sayid killed Desmond?
How many people think he didn't?
My vote....he didn't kill Desmond even though he told Flocke he did.
Peace all.
Paulie

---
I agree with you. I believe there is still a tiny sliver of good in
him and Desmond's calm, dispassionate appeal to both the heart and
logic to what Nadia would think if Sayid killed for her worked. I
mean he didn't shoot Zoe when he had the chance even though he killed
Desmond's two escorts when he first took Desmond away so I think
there is still a level of decency in Sayid even now.

Or of course he could've popped him and opted to lie to Nadia if he
did see her again LOL! After all, he is supposed to be some sort of
sacrifice. :-) But I don't really believe that. Des is alive.

As a side note you can compare Sayid's and Desmond's emotional
states. Sayid is dark and empty and insipid and looks lost and
directionless and has no fear, but paradoxically it scares him.

In contrast but at the same time similar, Desmond looks like he is in
a state of happiness even bliss and seems to have faith in something
larger or the future and also has no fear but in terms of being
secure in something. Indeed, that seemed to make MIB afraid which is
why he sent Sayid to kill Des.

Both were immersed in some object to get to how they are. Sayid into
a corrupted mystical temple pool and comes back a zombie while
Desmond was put into a technological device that used his unique
abilities concerning time and space to (presumably) see the other
time line and (presumably) know everything is going to be all right.

Just a thought of compare and contrast.

[y***@aol.com]

Post by Paul
Hi again...
I looked though and didn't see any postings on this so I apologize in
advance if I somehow missed it.
How many people think Sayid killed Desmond?
How many people think he didn't?
My vote....he didn't kill Desmond even though he told Flocke he did.
Peace all.
Paulie

Of course Sayid didn't kill Desmond. They would have shown it if he
did.

Desmond needs to do whatever it is that Charles says he has to do to
save everyone. I think by glimpsing the other timeline, if that's what
it is, Desmond already knows what has to happen. He is enormously
persuasive in the L.A. timeline--so far he's gotten all the Losties to
do what he asked them to do, even convincing a very dubious Claire to
come see his lawyer. I think he knew exactly what to say to Sayid to
make him realize he should not trust the MIB.

When the MIB asked Sayid what took him so long, he said he needed a
moment because he just killed a man in cold blood. That makes it
pretty obvious he was doing something else--probably helping Desmond
out of the well. The curious thing is why the MIB would believe him.

Another clue is the boy in the jungle. Last time we saw him, he
reminded the MIB that he couldn't kill Sawyer. I think his
reappearance was meant to stress to MIB that he could not kill Desmond
either (and he couldn't, which is why he only pushed him into the
well). That seems to indicate that the island is protecting Desmond.
Whether or not Desmond is a candidate, he is very important to the
island.
-yngver

[tdciago]

Post by y***@aol.com
When the MIB asked Sayid what took him so long, he said he needed a
moment because he just killed a man in cold blood. That makes it
pretty obvious he was doing something else--probably helping Desmond
out of the well.

There's a link to a recap in another thread, and the writer notes that
Sayid was looking up when Locke found him. I went back and watched
the scene, and Sayid is indeed looking up while he's walking, as
though he's searching for something. It may go nowhere, but I thought
it was interesting.

Post by y***@aol.com
The curious thing is why the MIB would believe him.

I think it's funny how every time Flocke gives an order and relies on
the person to carry it out when Flocke isn't there, it gets screwed
up. Sayid doesn't kill Desmond, Sawyer doublecrosses Flocke, Claire
gets on the boat, etc. Flocke must've been thinking that he didn't
have time to check whether Desmond was dead, because he had to get
back to his recruits and keep them in line.

[y***@aol.com]

Post by tdciago

Post by y***@aol.com
When the MIB asked Sayid what took him so long, he said he needed a
moment because he just killed a man in cold blood. That makes it
pretty obvious he was doing something else--probably helping Desmond
out of the well.

There's a link to a recap in another thread, and the writer notes that
Sayid was looking up when Locke found him.  I went back and watched
the scene, and Sayid is indeed looking up while he's walking, as
though he's searching for something.  It may go nowhere, but I thought
it was interesting.

Post by y***@aol.com
The curious thing is why the MIB would believe him.

I think it's funny how every time Flocke gives an order and relies on
the person to carry it out when Flocke isn't there, it gets screwed
up.  Sayid doesn't kill Desmond, Sawyer doublecrosses Flocke, Claire
gets on the boat, etc.  Flocke must've been thinking that he didn't
have time to check whether Desmond was dead, because he had to get
back to his recruits and keep them in line.

Yeah, the MIB doesn't seem to be as good at reading people's thoughts
and character as he seemed back when as the smoke monster he was
supposedly judging people, like Mr. Eko.

Actually the MIB seems a lot more gullible these days, and his
followers are certainly more disloyal than Jacob's were, until he died
and the MIB threatened to kill them.
-yngver

[M81162]

Maybe he is becoming more human.

Post by y***@aol.com

Post by tdciago

Post by y***@aol.com
When the MIB asked Sayid what took him so long, he said he needed a
moment because he just killed a man in cold blood. That makes it
pretty obvious he was doing something else--probably helping Desmond
out of the well.

There's a link to a recap in another thread, and the writer notes that
Sayid was looking up when Locke found him.  I went back and watched
the scene, and Sayid is indeed looking up while he's walking, as
though he's searching for something.  It may go nowhere, but I thought
it was interesting.

Post by y***@aol.com
The curious thing is why the MIB would believe him.

I think it's funny how every time Flocke gives an order and relies on
the person to carry it out when Flocke isn't there, it gets screwed
up.  Sayid doesn't kill Desmond, Sawyer doublecrosses Flocke, Claire
gets on the boat, etc.  Flocke must've been thinking that he didn't
have time to check whether Desmond was dead, because he had to get
back to his recruits and keep them in line.

Yeah, the MIB doesn't seem to be as good at reading people's thoughts
and character as he seemed back when as the smoke monster he was
supposedly judging people, like Mr. Eko.
Actually the MIB seems a lot more gullible these days, and his
followers are certainly more disloyal than Jacob's were, until he died
and the MIB threatened to kill them.
-yngver

[number6]

Post by M81162
Maybe he is becoming more human.

We've not seen Smokey since Sundown ...

[Jim Gysin]

Post by y***@aol.com

Post by tdciago

Post by y***@aol.com
When the MIB asked Sayid what took him so long, he said he needed a
moment because he just killed a man in cold blood. That makes it
pretty obvious he was doing something else--probably helping Desmond
out of the well.

There's a link to a recap in another thread, and the writer notes that
Sayid was looking up when Locke found him. I went back and watched
the scene, and Sayid is indeed looking up while he's walking, as
though he's searching for something. It may go nowhere, but I thought
it was interesting.

Post by y***@aol.com
The curious thing is why the MIB would believe him.

I think it's funny how every time Flocke gives an order and relies on
the person to carry it out when Flocke isn't there, it gets screwed
up. Sayid doesn't kill Desmond, Sawyer doublecrosses Flocke, Claire
gets on the boat, etc. Flocke must've been thinking that he didn't
have time to check whether Desmond was dead, because he had to get
back to his recruits and keep them in line.

Yeah, the MIB doesn't seem to be as good at reading people's thoughts
and character as he seemed back when as the smoke monster he was
supposedly judging people, like Mr. Eko.
Actually the MIB seems a lot more gullible these days, and his
followers are certainly more disloyal than Jacob's were, until he died
and the MIB threatened to kill them.

Maybe Locke's loser-ness is rubbing off on M.I.B. :)

[Dano]

Post by tdciago

Post by y***@aol.com
When the MIB asked Sayid what took him so long, he said he needed a
moment because he just killed a man in cold blood. That makes it
pretty obvious he was doing something else--probably helping Desmond
out of the well.

There's a link to a recap in another thread, and the writer notes that
Sayid was looking up when Locke found him. I went back and watched
the scene, and Sayid is indeed looking up while he's walking, as
though he's searching for something. It may go nowhere, but I thought
it was interesting.

Post by y***@aol.com
The curious thing is why the MIB would believe him.

I think it's funny how every time Flocke gives an order and relies on
the person to carry it out when Flocke isn't there, it gets screwed
up. Sayid doesn't kill Desmond, Sawyer doublecrosses Flocke, Claire
gets on the boat, etc. Flocke must've been thinking that he didn't
have time to check whether Desmond was dead, because he had to get
back to his recruits and keep them in line.

Just wondering. Before each time that I can think of that someone acts in
defiance of Flocke...hasn't that person also recently met the young fellow
that is "stalking" Flocke? Perhaps he is loosening MIB's grip on them. I
can't remember. Did the young guy actually speak to all of them too? Is
this in reaction to the warning to not allow Flocke to speak to them?

[tdciago]

Just wondering. �Before each time that I can think of that someone acts in
defiance of Flocke...hasn't that person also recently met the young fellow
that is "stalking" Flocke? �

Only Sawyer and Desmond have seen him. Sawyer certainly doublecrossed
Flocke, but that seemed perfectly in character for him. Desmond was
completely cooperative, and went along with Flocke willingly on the
island. Obviously in the flash sideways he struck John Locke with his
car, but we don't yet know his intention, or whether it had anything
to do with the boy.

Presumably, both Sayid and Claire went against Flocke's wishes without
having seen the boy.

[dnrapp]

Just wondering. Before each time that I can think of that someone acts in
defiance of Flocke...hasn't that person also recently met the young fellow
that is "stalking" Flocke?

Only Sawyer and Desmond have seen him. �Sawyer certainly doublecrossed
Flocke, but that seemed perfectly in character for him. �Desmond was
completely cooperative, and went along with Flocke willingly on the
island. �Obviously in the flash sideways he struck John Locke with his
car, but we don't yet know his intention, or whether it had anything
to do with the boy.
Presumably, both Sayid and Claire went against Flocke's wishes without
having seen the boy.

I believe Richard also saw him.

[tdciago]

Post by dnrapp
I believe Richard also saw him.

"Richard said he did not see the boy, but it is unclear whether the
boy was invisible to Richard or whether he disappeared before Richard
had the chance to see him."
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Mysterious_boy